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Both nights, the seders were effectively adults only (the 5-week-old baby second night wasn't interested in much beyond the usual three baby activities; happily screaming didn't make the cut :-), which allows for a rather different dynamic than seders with kids.

First night featured: discussions of depictions of wild animals (apparently there's at least one haggadah that includes Moses in streimel and kapoteh, with the wild beasts nearby: lions, tigers, and... giraffes. Vicious herbivores, giraffes. Gotta watch out for them. Vorpal giraffes, even.); vague talk of how we ought to get a play list together for the Band of Emissaries of Evil; a mention or two of bodyglitter (I don't remember why); an every-third-person-reads plan (which worked because the number of people were not a multiple of 3); talking about whether it really would have been enough to have been brought to Mt. Sinai and not given the Torah (which would have made it more of "yet another mountain in the desert," really); the most disturbing reaction I've ever had to a glass of wine, with odd waves of something that was a cross between spaciness and dizziness (I stuck to grape juice for the other three); the first matza of the season, finally; digs at some of Rabbi Arthur Scroll's translation choices; matza balls in the chicken soup; lemony asparagus; none of the traditional songs at the end (which was fine by me; I was exhausted by then, even though it wasn't absurdly late).

Second night featured: finger puppets (for the 4 questions, for the plagues) and other toy props (frogs, bugs, falling-down animals, ping-pong ball hail, a gummy hand that was supposed to be "boils" but worked out great for "outstreched arm," masks for the Band of Emissaries of Evil (though no toy guitars, sadly; perhaps next year), different hats for all of the rabbis (including a sombrero for R. Yossi/Jose)), and more; discussions of why the "by your blood shall you live" verses from Ezekiel are used in reverse order; the meal including vegan food as well as the apparently-obligatory brisket (who knew? we only had brisket in the tsimmes when I was little); people liking the chocolate-dipped candied orange and grapefruit peels I'd made; no weird reactions to any of the wine (which was luckily, because there was only enough grape juice for me to have one glass, and I should have given that to the 19-year-old undergrad so she could have had all her cups on juice; ah, well); remembering to count the first night of the omer despite Rabbi Arthur Scroll's haggadah not having s'firat ha'omer in it (why? who knows.); singing the songs; oddly feeling much less tired than the night before, even though I was out later.

I didn't make it to shul as much as I'd wanted, unfortunately. And I had a hard time staying focused when I did make it. *sigh*

I hosted the two Friday meals, according to the menus I'd planned. The food was ok, but somehow didn't feel special or interesting enough. Or maybe I just wasn't in the mood for what I'd made. I'm not really sure. The Shaker lemon pie guts experiment needs refining so it won't overbake, but definitely worked, which is pleasing. I'm tempted to get some of the little Pyrex custard cups for the rest of the year too, just so I can make this (it doesn't work for vegans or egg-allergic people, but without the crust, it's obviously gluten-free/celiac-friendly, which is a plus). OK, and if I have them, I'll likely do more cute individual desserts (or perhaps homely individual desserts, but individuals, anyway).

I need to get myself out of the house more, though.

Current counting: last night was 3

Date: 2009-04-13 12:30 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
On the second night, we decided that the Band of Emissaries of Evil was a hair band.

Date: 2009-04-13 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
Oh, nice!

We kept debating what genre music they play. Punk/metal was popular, thought at least one person thought jazz.

And of course I kept on thinking of Monty Python's Spanish Inquisition, even though in some ways it fits much better with the multiplication of plagues.

Date: 2009-04-13 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ichur72.livejournal.com
>> We kept debating what genre music they play.

With a name like that, I'd vote for goth or death metal.

Date: 2009-04-13 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
Oh, that definitely works!

Date: 2009-04-13 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] currentlee.livejournal.com
a mention or two of bodyglitter (I don't remember why)
because we had a haggada called "from twilight to dawn".

Date: 2009-04-13 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
Right.

And that led to the discussion of vampire seders (less problematic because they're after dark...).
Edited Date: 2009-04-13 12:51 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-04-13 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megmuck.livejournal.com
And free of blood libel... because they actually do eat blood, so it's not libel.

We attempted a seder with friends with a 1 to 1 kid/adult ratio last Thursday (oldest kid = 7 years old), and gave up after the plagues.

m.

Date: 2009-04-13 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
The plagues can be a lot of fun. Technically, it would've been good to get to the pesach (paschal offering) / matza / maror (bitter herbs) bit (why do we eat this? because...). But really, with that many kids to wrangle, whatever you get, you get, yes?

Date: 2009-04-13 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megmuck.livejournal.com
Come to think of it, we did do the four questions. At that point, J. was wearing three kipas on his head, all on top of each other, while two of the other boys were bare-headed.
But B. and his friend E. did read two questions apiece.

m.

Date: 2009-04-13 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
Er, sorry not to be more specific. 4 questions are towards the beginning, and cover maror, reclining, dipping twice, and matza (not necessarily in that order). The pesach/matza/maror bit (with some answers!) comes after the plagues, before the meal.

Date: 2009-04-13 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megmuck.livejournal.com
Yes, that's what I meant - the 4 questions at the beginning.

Did I mention that the whole scene was chaotic? Apart from having five kids under eight, there was me and S. (not Jewish, S. never attended a seder before), my friend, her boyfriend (who was running the seder to the extent that anyone was), his teenage daughter, and my friend's ex-husband, who was *not* running the seder and has been demanding court dates to renegotiate child custody.

It's not surprising that there was very little seder actually performed, given the emotional energy required to keep everyone from exploding.

Date: 2009-04-13 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
Oh, dear, that sounds incredibly chaotic.

Date: 2009-04-13 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
If you hadn't seen it yet, here's a peep take on the plagues. Maybe the kids could make some plagues next time...

I never drink... wine

Date: 2009-04-13 01:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sethg
Can a vampire's digestive system handle a shiur of matzah and maror?

Re: I never drink... wine

Date: 2009-04-13 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
Well, since no vampires don't eat gebrokts, if you have enough liquid in the haroset, and plenty of "wine" with the matza, yes. Whether in the minimum time limits is another question.
R. Ula (first name: Drac) says that while non-"wine" does not sustain a vampire, neither is it problematic to be consumed. It's like extra fiber in food, which passes through the system.

Re: I never drink... wine

Date: 2009-04-13 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megmuck.livejournal.com
I seem to remember Spike on Buffy putting Weetabix in his blood to give it texture. Surely he could switch to matzoh meal for a week.

Re: I never drink... wine

Date: 2009-04-13 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
Weetabix will hold its texture better than regular matza. Though perhaps they'd spring for the whole wheat stuff...

Date: 2009-04-13 01:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sethg
I feel like I don't have the right to snark about this because I gave up on Twilight after less than a hundred pages. "This character hates going to high school. I hated going to high school. Why should I read a novel that reminds me of how much I hated going to high school?"

Date: 2009-04-13 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] currentlee.livejournal.com
that's true of so much ya lit, much of it good stuff, but there are so many other reasons to give up on twilight...

Date: 2009-04-13 01:28 am (UTC)
sethg: a petunia flower (Default)
From: [personal profile] sethg
So I hear! And I never even got that far!

Date: 2009-04-13 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
Farther than me; I've never even attempted the thing.

Date: 2009-04-13 01:22 am (UTC)
sethg: a petunia flower (Default)
From: [personal profile] sethg
Did someone mention giraffes?

Date: 2009-04-13 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
*giggle*

It's true they have very long tongues. (So for them's who like tongue, figuring out where to do giraffe schechita would be a definite bonus :-)

Date: 2009-04-13 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sounds like wonderful sedarim.

How did you make the lemon dessert?

Moed tov.

Date: 2009-04-13 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
The lemon dessert was making the usual Shaker lemon pie filling (slice lemons very thin and let macerate in sugar overnight, then mix with egg), putting that in Pyrex pudding cups and baking at 300 F, covered, for 30 minutes. I'm planning to cut back to 20-23 minutes next time, since 30 minutes was too long.

How were your sedarim?

Good moed.

Date: 2009-04-14 03:30 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ooh, thanks. Lemony!

Nothing much of interest to report, I'm afraid, though I did think of you during the preliminary recitation of the order of the seder.

Date: 2009-04-14 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
We sang the order of the seder both nights. Second night, we sang as we got to the beginning of each section, too.

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