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magid ([personal profile] magid) wrote2005-07-04 07:15 pm

Three movies

[possible spoilers]
Howl's Moving Castle
As everyone knows, the movie is never the book. I had to keep reminding myself of that, as one sister was subtracted, a number of characters flopped good/bad alignments, a war was added, not-England subtracted, a pet added, a magic ring added, much technology added, and the castle itself grown much larger. Oh, and Howl's womanizing has almost completely vanished, too. Which made it hard for me to focus on the plot: I can't tell whether I'm biased based on the book, or it was about as random as the plot seemed in Spirited Away. That said, it's a pretty movie, and I'm glad I went to see it, predictable as the ending was. (Yes, random and yet predictable; it's the path, not the destination, that varies.)

The Fantastic Four
I don't know any of the background (ie comics) for this, so I have much less to take issue with in the variance from canon (for whatever value of canon). On the other hand, I thought it was a bit too fast paced, not taking enough time to show as much of the whys of character change. And the woman ended up in far too subsidiary a role when not using her superpower. That said, it's a very fun adventure, with lots of fascinating effects. I particularly liked the effects for the flaming man. And the sound track was pretty good, too.

Mr. and Mrs. Smith
Another adventure movie with lots of effects, though not of the sf-sort. The plot is reasonably ridiculous, and there are enormous holes left open at the end, but even so, it was rather satisfying. Perhaps some of that is seeing the female protagonist be at least as effective as the male, not at all fluffy or an adjunct. A fun summer flick, if you like mayhem and an occasionally scantily-clad female. Lots of explosions and red-shirts dying; I'm still amazed that any parent would bring a stroller-aged kid to this movie, and more surprised that they'd try to reason with the kid when s/he started to cry rather than taking him/her out immediately. Much eye-rolling in the rest of the audience.

[identity profile] fj.livejournal.com 2005-07-04 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
And the woman ended up in far too subsidiary a role when not using her superpower.

That has always been Sue Richard's problem, to the point that in the mid-eighties it almost became an in-joke. I remember one special issue, where Sue had to save the day due to a very particular problem (her toddler son Franklin suddenly overused his powers to a devastating degree), that opened with her getting very pissy on some feminist talk-show because the interviewer basically asked / berated her about always being the weak chick in the background. The moment she lost her long blond sixties hair and got this empowered short cut, she became interesting.

[identity profile] magid.livejournal.com 2005-07-04 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
At the beginning, she was introduced as the head of science or something like that, but later, she went fluffy-headed in the lab. It didn't seem inherent to the plot that she be played down like that, but if it's how the comics did it, at least there's a reason for it.

[identity profile] pling.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
I'm still amazed that any parent would bring a stroller-aged kid to this movie

Over here it's a 15 certificate, is it all-ages in the US? Or do they not just bother enforcing the age restrictions?

[identity profile] magid.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't pay attention to what rating it had here. But even an R rating (over 18? or is it 16? I should know this, and don't) can be gotten around if a parent/guardian (or perhaps just an adult) brings the underage one in. So no, it's not an absolute age restriction over here.

[identity profile] hrafn.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
The redone plot of _Howl's_ really confused me. About 2/3 of the way through, I realized I no longer had any idea where any of it was going :\ It made it hard to pay attention to the movie as its own thing.

[identity profile] magid.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
I was thinking more about the plot divergences this morning, and trying to figure out why so much of it had to change, if the book is what they wanted to put on the screen.

[identity profile] bitty.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
I was watching the review/trailer on NECN, and if they hadn't told me what the title was, I never would have recognized the plot.

It's funny, because the greatest criticism they kept lobbing at it was "the story is to European and not Japanese." Um, yeah. It's a European-style book. Had the reviewer bothered to check that out? Not once did the critic actually note that the movie was based on a book. And it was a 4-5 minute review.

[identity profile] magid.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
The story is European, and some of the characters were, but the principals were very much the usual anime-perfect characters.

Because DWJ has lots of these

[identity profile] bitty.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
anime-perfect characters

Shooting pubic hair? Radio-dial breasts? Snake genitalia?

Re: Because DWJ has lots of these

[identity profile] magid.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
Er, G-rated anime figures?

Snake genitalia?! I think I have to wash my mind out with soap now, thanksverymuch.

Re: Because DWJ has lots of these

[identity profile] bitty.livejournal.com 2005-07-06 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, it's not *my* fault that the first anime I ever saw was so adult.

(Anonymous) 2005-07-05 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
. . . and when the movie ended, the person I watched it with turned to me and said, "Japanese fairie tales are /weird/!" And I wailed, "But it's NOT!" And then explained.

[identity profile] magid.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
I'm starting to wonder what Spirited Away (the only other movie of his I've seen) was based on, and if it is some book, whether it hangs together better as a book.

Oh, and the actual Japanese fairy tales I've read have been nice; different aesthetic than European ones, but still cohesive and understandable.

[identity profile] rikchik.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Spirited away is an original story. Nausicaa is based on a manga by Miyazaki, and Kiki's Delivery Service is based on a Japanese book of short stories by someone besides Miyazaki. I think everything else he's done is original.

[identity profile] magid.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The only two I've seen are Howl's and Spirited,, which left me with a lot of unanswered questions. The visuals were great, but I don't like having such large holes left at the end. Though it probably means there's an aesthetic that I don't understand or something.

[identity profile] bitty.livejournal.com 2005-07-06 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
such an uneducated public!

MANDATORY DWJ FOR ALL.

[identity profile] hrafn.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
Curses! That was me (anon. reply).